From sutehi@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:03:20 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from portus.ccjclearline.com (gw.cp.ccjclearline.com [64.235.101.143]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MG3SH05557 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:03:20 -0400 Received: by portus.ccjclearline.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 554B04248988; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:59:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:59:14 -0500 From: steph smith To: kwlug-disc@listserv.kwlug.org Message-ID: <20050422155914.GL2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i Subject: [kwlug disc.] inaugural posty X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@listserv.kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@listserv.kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:03:24 -0000 X-IMAPbase: 1148999464 1238 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 Test-o-rama. -- Steph Smith sutehi@gmail.com ====================================================================== GPG Keyserv: pgp.mit.edu GPG Key ID: B4BD5A3B GPG Key Fingerprint: F6EB E5BB B762 F132 A9A1 2D4C 4D83 8885 B4BD 5A3B ====================================================================== BOFH Excuse #257: That would be because the software doesn't work. From sutehi@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:17:49 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from portus.ccjclearline.com (gw.cp.ccjclearline.com [64.235.101.143]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MGHnH05622 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:17:49 -0400 Received: by portus.ccjclearline.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 913FD424898C; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:02 -0500 From: steph smith To: kwlug-disc@listserv.kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] inaugural reply and header check Message-ID: <20050422161402.GN2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> References: <20050422155914.GL2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050422155914.GL2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:17:52 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 @listserv.kwlug.org should now be transformed to @kwlug.org -- Steph Smith sutehi@gmail.com ====================================================================== GPG Keyserv: pgp.mit.edu GPG Key ID: B4BD5A3B GPG Key Fingerprint: F6EB E5BB B762 F132 A9A1 2D4C 4D83 8885 B4BD 5A3B ====================================================================== BOFH Excuse #305: IRQ-problems with the Un-Interruptible-Power-Supply From sutehi@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:46:06 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MGk6H05786 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:06 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx36.postini.com [64.18.2.176]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id MAA29915 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:44:29 -0400 Received: from source ([64.235.106.3]) by exprod7mx36.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:44:28 PDT Received: from portus.ccjclearline.com (gw.cp.ccjclearline.com [64.235.101.143]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MGk3H05782 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:03 -0400 Received: by portus.ccjclearline.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 54DE2424898B; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:42:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:42:15 -0500 From: steph smith To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Message-ID: <20050422164215.GP2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-pstn-levels: (S:45.01408/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] New list, old aliases X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:46:07 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 Original aliases moved over. 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From sutehi@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 13:23:18 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MHNIH06160 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:23:18 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx50.postini.com [64.18.2.100]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id NAA01362 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:21:43 -0400 Received: from source ([64.235.106.3]) by exprod7mx50.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:21:42 CDT Received: from portus.ccjclearline.com (gw.cp.ccjclearline.com [64.235.101.143]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3MHNYH06156 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:23:16 -0400 Received: by portus.ccjclearline.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7FED2424898D; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:19:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:19:30 -0500 From: steph smith To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Message-ID: <20050422171930.GQ2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-pstn-levels: (S: 3.17837/99.70787 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] [ADMIN] List Moved X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:23:21 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to your new Mailman list :) Everyone should have already received a welcome message from the new listserv. The two important bits of information contained in this email are=20 1. The list's new website: http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc which is where you cn go to modify your subscription, view the archives (from today forward), and is where new subscribers can sign up 2. You list password, which you will need in order to modify your subscription. If for some reason you did not receive your list password, or if you happen to loose it in the future, you can retrieve it by going to the list's website (above) and following the 'password reminder' instructions at the bottom of the page =3D=3D=3DDIGEST=3D=3D=3D As with the majordomo list, kwlug-disc is available as a digest. If you were previously subscribed to the digest list, you should still be (unless I screwed up ;). If you are not, or if you wish to change that now, you can do so by logging into the list's website. =3D=3D=3DLIST-HEADERS=3D=3D=3D With the new listserv, some of the list headers have been changed. 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EOF That was ripped right from the list's website; obviously the cosmetics can be changed. The barest minimum of important bits are * post action of http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/subscribe/kwlug-disc * a text field called 'email' Optional fields include * password field named 'pw' * text field named 'fullname' * radio fields named 'digest' with values of '0' (no) and '1' (yes) I think that's everything ^^ I've got Bill & myself listed as the list owners. If anybody else should be listed as such, let me know. 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J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: KWLUG discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] cygwin/make/compiler question X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:28:22 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 not strictly a linux question, but i figure there's a few cygwin experts out there. i installed cygwin on xp pro, and also installed a downloadable (winows-based) cross-compiler elsewhere on the system. from my account home directory inside of cygwin, i set up my search path to include the CC executables -- gcc, ar, as and so on -- and created a makefile for building a project that invokes the cross-compiler. so far, so good -- everything working fine so far. just now, i tweaked the makefiles and added a new feature, which now requires the filenames be passed to the cross-compiler as *absolute* pathnames and, not surprisingly, the cross-compiler commands now fail, claiming the input files can't be found. so if i'm sitting in my home dir, i can compile a program with $ cross-cc hi.c but i can't do it this way: $ cross-cc /home/rday/hi.c since the cross-compiler (being windows native) apparently chokes on that format of absolute pathname. i don't see any way around this. as long as i use just relative pathnames, the CC is happy. the instant i hand it absolute pathnames, it chokes. just from a cursory inspection, i see no obvious way around this. thoughts? rday p.s. i've tried using the cygwin mount points as well -- /cygdrive/c/..., but no good. From ilatypov@infradead.org Fri Apr 22 20:09:26 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3N098H07318 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:09:26 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx50.postini.com [64.18.2.100]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id UAA10264 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:07:32 -0400 Received: from source ([206.190.36.79]) by exprod7mx50.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:07:31 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO ei) (ilgiz@rogers.com@65.48.182.199 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 00:07:31 -0000 Received: from ilgiz by ei with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP8BP-0007jm-DU for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:07:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:07:39 -0400 From: Ilguiz Latypov To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] cygwin/make/compiler question Message-ID: <20050423000739.GA29279@ei.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-pstn-levels: (S:98.08473/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:09:20 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:24:04PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > but i can't do it this way: > > $ cross-cc /home/rday/hi.c > > since the cross-compiler (being windows native) apparently chokes on > that format of absolute pathname. Will this work? $ cross-cc $(cygpath -w /home/rday/hi.c) -- Ilguiz P.S. It seems that actions and $(shell ...) calls in the make files are executed via /bin/sh even when user's SHELL was /bin/bash. I figured I could add this to the top of my make file: SHELL := /bin/bash From cdfrey@rubicon.netdirect.ca Sat Apr 23 03:06:09 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3N768H08368 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:06:09 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx50.postini.com [64.18.2.100]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id DAA14028 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:04:20 -0400 Received: from source ([216.16.235.2]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx50.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:04:19 PDT X-Envelope-To: Received: from rubicon.netdirect.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rubicon.netdirect.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3N6vSZU012710 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:28 -0400 Received: (from cdfrey@localhost) by rubicon.netdirect.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j3N6vS2R012709 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:28 -0400 From: Chris Frey To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] [ADMIN] List Moved Message-ID: <20050423065728.GA12226@netdirect.ca> References: <20050422171930.GQ2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050422171930.GQ2881@portus.cp.thinkers.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: cdfrey@rubicon.netdirect.ca X-pstn-levels: (S:25.75265/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:06:12 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 12:19:30PM -0500, steph smith wrote: > Welcome to your new Mailman list :) > > Everyone should have already received a welcome message from the new > listserv. The two important bits of information contained in this email > are Thanks steph for upgrading us! Is the announce list changed too? I just saw I still had a filter for it and was curious. Someone might want to update http://www.kwlug.org/list.php as well. - Chris From rpjday@mindspring.com Sat Apr 23 08:41:20 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3NCfRH09417 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:41:20 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx61.postini.com [64.18.2.111]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id IAA12367 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:39:40 -0400 Received: from source ([204.225.180.10]) by exprod7mx61.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:39:40 EDT Received: from [10.1.1.138] (10.1.2.1) by mailhost.rdmcorp.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; 23 Apr 2005 08:39:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] cygwin/make/compiler question In-Reply-To: <20050423000739.GA29279@ei.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <20050423000739.GA29279@ei.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:41:43 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Ilguiz Latypov wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:24:04PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > but i can't do it this way: > > > > $ cross-cc /home/rday/hi.c > > > > since the cross-compiler (being windows native) apparently chokes on > > that format of absolute pathname. > > Will this work? > > $ cross-cc $(cygpath -w /home/rday/hi.c) actually, i finally fixed it by adding to the system mount table d:/home -> /home and shifting all of the accounts over to that new home directory. as long as i can avoid having the "/cygdrive/" prefixes in directory names, i seem to be OK. rday From rpjday@mindspring.com Sat Apr 23 14:16:43 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3NIGhH10173 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:16:43 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx40.postini.com [64.18.2.180]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id OAA11908 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:15:02 -0400 Received: from source ([204.225.180.10]) by exprod7mx40.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:15:01 CDT Received: from [10.1.1.138] (10.1.2.1) by mailhost.rdmcorp.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; 23 Apr 2005 14:15:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: KWLUG discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] canadian federal government position on OSS X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:16:49 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 a few days ago, someone on one of the mailing lists i read pointed to a US government policy that required MS software for bidding on a certain class of grants, as i recall. is there, somewhere, a summary of the canadian government's official position on OSS? any examples of a requirement for MS in any situations, that sort of thing? rday From richard@weait.com Mon Apr 25 19:09:51 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3PN9UH23349 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:09:51 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx49.postini.com [64.18.2.140]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id TAA21901 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:07:38 -0400 Received: from source ([66.11.167.126]) by exprod7mx49.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:07:38 PDT Received: from barney.weait.net (weait.tor.istop.com [66.11.182.154]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC9B2B3D5 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (nerdbook.weait.net [192.168.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by barney.weait.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3PN7ZsH031843 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:07:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] canadian federal government position on OSS From: Richard Weait To: KWLUG Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1114470454.31703.674.camel@holden.weait.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:07:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:45.06441/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:09:54 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 14:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > a few days ago, someone on one of the mailing lists i read pointed > to a US government policy that required MS software for bidding on a > certain class of grants, as i recall. > > is there, somewhere, a summary of the canadian government's official > position on OSS? any examples of a requirement for MS in any > situations, that sort of thing? PIPEDA (Personal information protection and electronics documents act) is the statute that governs electronic documents. You can find it here if you are having trouble getting to sleep. http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-8.6/index.html I'm told that this particular piece of legislation is even more awkward than to read than most. One item of interest is: 2000, c. 5, s. 2 40(c) > the document or information in electronic form will be under the > control of the person to whom it is provided and will be readable or > perceivable so as to be usable for subsequent reference. I would think that any proprietary format or requirement for a specific viewer, or any DRM of any sort would run into trouble with this paragraph. But I am not a lawyer. From bswitzer@gto.net Mon Apr 25 21:02:26 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3Q12QH23684 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:02:26 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx58.postini.com [64.18.2.108]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id VAA32291 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:00:10 -0400 From: bswitzer@gto.net Received: from source ([199.166.210.31]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx58.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:00:09 PDT Received: from swiz.1meg.golden.net ([209.183.141.104] helo=TESTGATE) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DQEQq-000ADe-Ut for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:00:09 -0400 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.10.3]); Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:59:33 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] Canadian federal government position on OSS Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c549fb$354d6250$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1114470454.31703.674.camel@holden.weait.net> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:02:05 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 } > ... will be readable or } > perceivable so as to be usable for subsequent reference. } } I would think that any proprietary format or requirement for } a specific } viewer, ... I don't believe you're quite correct. I believe that (a copy of) any personal information must be _provided_ upon request. How it's stored and how it's provided doesn't have to be the same format, I don't believe. i.e. I may store it in a Word 2003 document (proprietary format), but could provide it to you in a .txt format. } -----Original Message----- } From: kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org } [mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org]On Behalf Of Richard Weait } Sent: April 25, 2005 7:08 PM } To: KWLUG Discussion } Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Canadian federal government position on OSS } } } On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 14:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote: } > a few days ago, someone on one of the mailing lists i read pointed } > to a US government policy that required MS software for bidding on a } > certain class of grants, as i recall. } > } > is there, somewhere, a summary of the Canadian } government's official } > position on OSS? any examples of a requirement for MS in any } > situations, that sort of thing? } } PIPEDA (Personal information protection and electronics documents act) } is the statute that governs electronic documents. You can } find it here } if you are having trouble getting to sleep. } http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-8.6/index.html } } I'm told that this particular piece of legislation is even } more awkward } than to read than most. } } One item of interest is: 2000, c. 5, s. 2 40(c) } } > the document or information in electronic form will be under the } > control of the person to whom it is provided and will be readable or } > perceivable so as to be usable for subsequent reference. } } I would think that any proprietary format or requirement for } a specific } viewer, or any DRM of any sort would run into trouble with this } paragraph. But I am not a lawyer. } } _______________________________________________ } KWLUG-Disc mailing list } KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org } http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc } From rpjday@mindspring.com Wed Apr 27 20:28:43 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3S0SSH01193 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:28:43 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx61.postini.com [64.18.2.111]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id UAA23000 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:26:23 -0400 Received: from source ([209.226.175.184]) by exprod7mx61.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:26:22 PDT Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([65.93.199.196]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20050428002621.YWLD21470.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.1.102]> for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:26:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:23:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: KWLUG discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:71.10221/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] what do folks think of "doxygen"? X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:28:34 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 for documentation, is anyone using doxygen on a regular basis? your thoughts on it, pro or con? rday From cryst@golden.net Wed Apr 27 22:23:18 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3S2NIH01521 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:23:18 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx53.postini.com [64.18.2.103]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id WAA01846 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:21:00 -0400 Received: from source ([199.166.210.31]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx53.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:20:59 PDT Received: from 229-248.speede.golden.net ([216.59.229.248] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DQyeB-000FcS-6T for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:20:59 -0400 From: Chris Bruner To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] what do folks think of "doxygen"? Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:20:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200504272220.55774.cryst@golden.net> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.23546/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:23:24 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 It's great. It will map out the classes so you know who's inheriting from whom, and if you comment your code using /*! this is a comment */ it goes into the doxygen documentation for that function. It's also useful if you are using an unfamiliar code set, as it can quickly let you know what's what. Chris On Wed April 27 2005 08:23 pm, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > for documentation, is anyone using doxygen on a regular basis? your > thoughts on it, pro or con? > > rday > _______________________________________________ > KWLUG-Disc mailing list > KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org > http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc -- Calvin: Can you make a living playing silly games? His Dad: Actually, you can be among the most overpaid people on the planet. From cdfrey@rubicon.netdirect.ca Thu Apr 28 00:36:12 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3S4ZxH01856 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:36:12 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx51.postini.com [64.18.2.101]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id AAA14548 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:33:31 -0400 Received: from source ([216.16.235.2]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx51.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:33:30 PDT X-Envelope-To: Received: from rubicon.netdirect.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rubicon.netdirect.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3S4PCnQ020246 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:25:22 -0400 Received: (from cdfrey@localhost) by rubicon.netdirect.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j3S4P6Y6020239 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:25:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:25:02 -0400 From: Chris Frey To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] what do folks think of "doxygen"? Message-ID: <20050428042502.GA19935@netdirect.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Net-Direct-Inc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: cdfrey@rubicon.netdirect.ca X-pstn-levels: (S:25.08212/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:36:16 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 08:23:36PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > for documentation, is anyone using doxygen on a regular basis? your > thoughts on it, pro or con? Definitely pro. I use it for my C++ code, but haven't played with the other language support. It's great to keep the documentation in the code. If you're documenting C++, I have a cheat sheet here, which covers most of what I use it for: http://www.netdirect.ca/~cdfrey/tips/doxygen-sample.txt - Chris From rpjday@mindspring.com Thu Apr 28 07:34:58 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3SBZJH03026 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:34:58 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx41.postini.com [64.18.2.181]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id HAA16819 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:32:52 -0400 Received: from source ([204.225.180.10]) by exprod7mx41.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:32:51 PDT Received: from [10.1.1.138] (10.1.2.1) by mailhost.rdmcorp.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; 28 Apr 2005 07:09:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: KWLUG discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] viewable kernel source? X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:35:23 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 where do folks go if they want to view the kernel source online? if i want to see the absolutely latest source, i've always gone to linux.bkbits.net for the most current bitkeeper check-in. i'm just wondering if there are other preferable locations for this sort of thing. let's say if i wanted to view a specific earlier version. rday From btraynor@linux.ca Thu Apr 28 08:10:00 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3SCA0H03179 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:10:00 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx27.postini.com [64.18.2.167]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id IAA20255 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:07:53 -0400 Received: from source ([204.89.131.97]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx27.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:07:52 PDT Received: (qmail 14411 invoked by uid 1003); 28 Apr 2005 12:01:11 -0000 Received: from cpe000f6641f21a-cm00111adf5f4a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (HELO ?192.168.1.103?) (btraynor@orphancode.org@24.43.196.242) by mail.geekisp.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 12:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4270D084.4070302@linux.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:01:08 -0400 From: Bill Traynor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20041012) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] viewable kernel source? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:10:03 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > where do folks go if they want to view the kernel source online? >if i want to see the absolutely latest source, i've always gone to >linux.bkbits.net for the most current bitkeeper check-in. > > i'm just wondering if there are other preferable locations for this >sort of thing. let's say if i wanted to view a specific earlier >version. > > http://lxr.linux.no/source/ >rday >_______________________________________________ >KWLUG-Disc mailing list >KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org >http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc > > From cryst@golden.net Thu Apr 28 11:05:24 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3SF5OH03967 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:05:24 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx35.postini.com [64.18.2.175]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id LAA06709 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:03:18 -0400 Received: from source ([199.166.210.31]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx35.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:03:17 EDT Received: from [209.183.16.24] (helo=Tim) by smtp.golden.net with asmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DRAXt-0003d9-67 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c54c03$5e9827d0$0100000a@Tim> From: "cryst" To: References: Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] viewable kernel source? Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:02:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-pstn-levels: (S:81.68432/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:05:44 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 I just noticed at kernaltrap there are git repositories. http://www.kernel.org/git/ Haven't looked to closely but you can view individual patches. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert P. J. Day" To: "KWLUG discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [kwlug disc.] viewable kernel source? > > where do folks go if they want to view the kernel source online? > if i want to see the absolutely latest source, i've always gone to > linux.bkbits.net for the most current bitkeeper check-in. > > i'm just wondering if there are other preferable locations for this > sort of thing. let's say if i wanted to view a specific earlier > version. > > rday > _______________________________________________ > KWLUG-Disc mailing list > KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org > http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc > From opengeometry@yahoo.ca Fri Apr 29 10:09:02 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3TE92H10067 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:09:02 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx50.postini.com [64.18.2.100]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id KAA18952 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:51 -0400 Received: from source ([216.254.164.127]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx50.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:48 EDT Received: from node1.opengeometry.net (IDENT:421@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3TE6lZk002647 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:47 -0400 Received: (from parkw@localhost) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j3TE6lsn002646 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:47 -0400 From: William Park To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Message-ID: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> Mail-Followup-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-pstn-levels: (S:37.57635/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] May meeting X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:09:20 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 Is May 2nd meeting still on? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because it works. From richard@weait.com Fri Apr 29 10:18:24 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3TEIOH10138 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:18:24 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx49.postini.com [64.18.2.140]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id KAA20106 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:16:14 -0400 Received: from source ([66.11.167.126]) by exprod7mx49.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:16:13 PDT Received: from barney.weait.net (weait.tor.istop.com [66.11.182.154]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85682B3D3 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (nerdbook.weait.net [192.168.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by barney.weait.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3TEGBsH008613 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] May meeting From: Richard Weait To: KWLUG Discussion In-Reply-To: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> References: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:16:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-2strike: clear X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.03470/99.40299 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:18:29 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 10:06, William Park wrote: > Is May 2nd meeting still on? Yes. It is currently listed at http://www.kwlug.org/ and on the calendar at http://www.cambridgelug.org/phpicalendar/ From btraynor@linux.ca Fri Apr 29 13:17:25 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3THH7H11175 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:17:25 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx59.postini.com [64.18.2.109]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id NAA07427 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:14:56 -0400 Received: from source ([204.89.131.77]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx59.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:14:55 PDT Received: (qmail 26157 invoked by uid 67); 29 Apr 2005 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from 207.245.14.100 (SquirrelMail authenticated user btraynor@orphancode.org) by www.geekisp.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32413.207.245.14.100.1114794894.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> In-Reply-To: <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> References: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] May meeting From: "Bill Traynor" To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-pstn-levels: (S:26.41403/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:17:17 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 10:06, William Park wrote: >> Is May 2nd meeting still on? > > Yes. It is currently listed at http://www.kwlug.org/ and on the > calendar at http://www.cambridgelug.org/phpicalendar/ There's a LUG in Cambridge? > > _______________________________________________ > KWLUG-Disc mailing list > KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org > http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc > From opengeometry@yahoo.ca Fri Apr 29 16:24:53 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3TKOhH11903 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:24:53 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx7.postini.com [64.18.2.147]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id QAA27849 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:22:30 -0400 Received: from source ([216.254.165.247]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx7.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:28 CDT Received: from node1.opengeometry.net (IDENT:421@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3TKMRBH002756 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:22:27 -0400 Received: (from parkw@localhost) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j3TKMRQg002755 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:22:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:22:27 -0400 From: William Park To: KWLUG Discussion Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] May meeting Message-ID: <20050429202227.GA2715@node1.opengeometry.net> Mail-Followup-To: KWLUG Discussion References: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:24:58 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:16:10AM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 10:06, William Park wrote: > > Is May 2nd meeting still on? > > Yes. It is currently listed at http://www.kwlug.org/ and on the > calendar at http://www.cambridgelug.org/phpicalendar/ I'll be there. As the developer of Linux thin-client on USB key, http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html which is really another form of "embedded" device, I would be very interested in the talk, and talking with some of you. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because it works. From richard@weait.com Fri Apr 29 22:08:18 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3U28bH12993 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:08:18 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx59.postini.com [64.18.2.109]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id WAA26642 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:06:06 -0400 Received: from source ([66.11.167.126]) by exprod7mx59.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:06:05 EDT Received: from barney.weait.net (weait.tor.istop.com [66.11.182.154]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3162B3F7 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (nerdbook.weait.net [192.168.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by barney.weait.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3U263sH009664 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:06:04 -0400 From: Richard Weait To: KWLUG Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1114826761.1039.149.camel@holden.weait.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:06:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] Re: [kwlug-announce] KWLUG meeting Monday: Deeply Embedded Linux X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:08:27 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 21:30, Paul Nijjar wrote: [ Re: May 2005 meeting announcement ] > P.S. Richard hints that Red Hats may be awarded in response to > trivia questions during this meeting. I don't know whether to believe him > or not. Him? No. You can't trust these Linux Zealots. From opengeometry@yahoo.ca Sat Apr 30 14:01:52 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3UI1qH15474 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:01:52 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx25.postini.com [64.18.2.165]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id NAA07075 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:59:35 -0400 Received: from source ([209.183.23.37]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx25.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:59:33 PDT Received: from node1.opengeometry.net (IDENT:421@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3UHxWjR003044 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:59:32 -0400 Received: (from parkw@localhost) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j3UHxV5q003043 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:59:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:59:31 -0400 From: William Park To: KWLUG Discussion Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] May meeting Message-ID: <20050430175931.GA2929@node1.opengeometry.net> Mail-Followup-To: KWLUG Discussion References: <20050429140647.GA2642@node1.opengeometry.net> <1114784169.1039.7.camel@holden.weait.net> <20050429202227.GA2715@node1.opengeometry.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050429202227.GA2715@node1.opengeometry.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:02:08 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 04:22:27PM -0400, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:16:10AM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 10:06, William Park wrote: > > > Is May 2nd meeting still on? > > > > Yes. It is currently listed at http://www.kwlug.org/ and on the > > calendar at http://www.cambridgelug.org/phpicalendar/ > > I'll be there. As the developer of Linux thin-client on USB key, > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html > which is really another form of "embedded" device, I would be very > interested in the talk, and talking with some of you. Also, we (TLUG) are currently looking at RFP from Waterloo Public Library: "Request for Proposal - Local Area Network (LAN) - Design, Procurement and Maintenance" - URL: http://www.wpl.ca/site/about/employment.asp - PDF: http://www.wpl.ca/site/pdf/LAN_proposal.pdf - deadline: May 16 And, we're wondering if KWLUG is interested in participating, individually or as group. We would be happy to put forward a "joint" proposal, where people will be selected from both TLUG and KWLUG memberships. Points of concern for us TLUGers are - on-site support --- it's 1 hour drive from Toronto (longer with traffics). - Library's insistence on Windows, such as Active Directory, etc. In Linux world, we could shove everything into one massive server and put thin-client on every desks. But, in Microsoft world... I would like to discuss this with some of you after the talk, perhaps over beer. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because it works. From bswitzer@gto.net Sat Apr 30 14:35:47 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j3UIZpH15564 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:35:47 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx59.postini.com [64.18.2.109]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id OAA09975 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:33:31 -0400 From: bswitzer@gto.net Received: from source ([199.166.210.31]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx59.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:33:30 PDT Received: from swiz.1meg.golden.net ([209.183.141.104] helo=TESTGATE) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DRwmO-0005HB-TV for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:33:29 -0400 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.11.0]); Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:32:59 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] May meeting Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c54db3$08971150$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 In-Reply-To: <20050430175931.GA2929@node1.opengeometry.net> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:35:54 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 What a pipe dream. And to think my tax dollars go towards this nonsense. MS has done a marketing number on whomever created the proposal. Nothing wrong with what they already have, they should just continue using it. What they really want is 2 or 3 I.T. staffers on-site to implement and maintain the thing, covered up as being provided by the vendor. Sadly, I suspect they are not unique in their approach. What grates is it's a public institution. } -----Original Message----- } From: kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org } [mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org]On Behalf Of William Park } Sent: April 30, 2005 2:00 PM } To: KWLUG Discussion } Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] May meeting } } } On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 04:22:27PM -0400, William Park wrote: } > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:16:10AM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: } > > On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 10:06, William Park wrote: } > > > Is May 2nd meeting still on? } > > } > > Yes. It is currently listed at http://www.kwlug.org/ and on the } > > calendar at http://www.cambridgelug.org/phpicalendar/ } > } > I'll be there. As the developer of Linux thin-client on USB key, } > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html } > which is really another form of "embedded" device, I would be very } > interested in the talk, and talking with some of you. } } Also, we (TLUG) are currently looking at RFP from Waterloo Public } Library: } } "Request for Proposal - Local Area Network (LAN) - Design, } Procurement and Maintenance" } - URL: http://www.wpl.ca/site/about/employment.asp } - PDF: http://www.wpl.ca/site/pdf/LAN_proposal.pdf } - deadline: May 16 } } And, we're wondering if KWLUG is interested in participating, } individually or as group. We would be happy to put forward a "joint" } proposal, where people will be selected from both TLUG and KWLUG } memberships. } } Points of concern for us TLUGers are } - on-site support --- it's 1 hour drive from Toronto (longer with } traffics). } - Library's insistence on Windows, such as Active Directory, etc. } In Linux world, we could shove everything into one } massive server } and put thin-client on every desks. But, in Microsoft world... } } I would like to discuss this with some of you after the talk, perhaps } over beer. } } -- } William Park , Toronto, Canada } Slackware Linux -- because it works. } _______________________________________________ } KWLUG-Disc mailing list } KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org } http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc } From dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org Sun May 1 12:54:00 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j41Gs0H23913 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:54:00 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx29.postini.com [64.18.2.169]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id MAA07703 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:51:40 -0400 Received: from source ([192.94.73.21]) by exprod7mx29.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:51:39 CDT Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.1]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41GpSmZ006330 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:51:29 GMT Received: (from dcarr@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j41GpS7F005721; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:51:28 GMT Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 16:51:28 +0000 (UTC) From: lloyd carr To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] May meeting In-Reply-To: <001201c54db3$08971150$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> Message-ID: References: <001201c54db3$08971150$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:54:27 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 > What a pipe dream. And to think my tax dollars go towards this nonsense. > > MS has done a marketing number on whomever created the proposal. > > Nothing wrong with what they already have, they should just continue using > it. > > What they really want is 2 or 3 I.T. staffers on-site to implement and > maintain the thing, covered up as being provided by the vendor. > > > > Sadly, I suspect they are not unique in their approach. What grates is it's > a public institution. Does anyone know what the WPL's current deal with MS is? - Lloyd From rpjday@mindspring.com Sun May 1 13:32:45 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j41HWjH24048 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 13:32:45 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx6.postini.com [64.18.2.146]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id NAA11303 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 13:30:24 -0400 Received: from source ([204.225.180.10]) by exprod7mx6.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:30:23 HDT Received: from [10.1.1.138] (10.1.2.1) by mailhost.rdmcorp.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; 1 May 2005 13:30:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 13:27:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] May meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <001201c54db3$08971150$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 17:32:48 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 On Sun, 1 May 2005, lloyd carr wrote: > Does anyone know what the WPL's current deal with MS is? dunno but, being a publicly-funded(?) institution, wouldn't that information be publicly available? rday From richard@weait.com Sun May 1 18:21:12 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j41MKxH24714 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:21:12 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx55.postini.com [64.18.2.105]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id SAA04342 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:18:36 -0400 Received: from source ([66.11.167.126]) by exprod7mx55.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 15:18:36 PDT Received: from barney.weait.net (weait.tor.istop.com [66.11.182.154]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6412B3CE for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (nerdbook.weait.net [192.168.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by barney.weait.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41MIXsH018275 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:18:35 -0400 Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] May meeting From: Richard Weait To: KWLUG Discussion In-Reply-To: References: <001201c54db3$08971150$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1114985912.18116.5.camel@holden.weait.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 18:18:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:94.55235/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:21:03 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 12:51, lloyd carr wrote: > Does anyone know what the WPL's current deal with MS is? Same as usual, "Magic Beans in exchange for Mortal Souls." From dada.da@gmail.com Mon May 2 15:11:21 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j42JBCH30183 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:11:21 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx53.postini.com [64.18.2.103]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id PAA22946 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:08:44 -0400 Received: from source ([64.233.170.196]) by exprod7mx53.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 14:08:43 CDT Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so1819265rnf for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PV/0Y6IOBNFA8cnb3y6bG5vrPmlSdrjWUPK9BspsJVqmrDh0Nyrnq3V8gH4+5nspcdyqqd0LyaKQcM/406HOGVOnuojDLh/ZzcTYh7KWMTo8nDkEKqTGkSItNoxh0OXtAIQ7alL8XhLihvqAyxcCkJUFMGEWRyFjoT418KjyYfQ= Received: by 10.38.97.4 with SMTP id u4mr6048108rnb; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.2.24 with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:08:43 -0400 From: Daniel Allen To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2252_25254058.1115060923213" X-pstn-levels: (S:21.40966/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] Asterisk workshop interest? X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:11:26 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 ------=_Part_2252_25254058.1115060923213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Would anybody be interested in a hands-on Asterisk workshop in K/W? Simon would be interested in coming from Toronto to lead this. I believe=20 he will supply the necessary pci card, probably in the $20 range. Email me off-list if you're interested, and if there are enough Yes's (10?= =20 15?), I'll look into logistics. -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers - da@kw.pm.org On 4/22/05, Simon P. Ditner wrote: > I've been thinking of running an introductory Asterisk workshop, where > you would come in with your old junker PC, and we'd take you through > the process of turning it into a pimped-out answering machine, with > multiple voice mail boxes, vmail->email, and remote retrieval. >=20 > Would anyone be interested in that sort of thing? Or perhaps something > more advanced? > * Simon P. Ditner / ON-Asterisk Mailing List / http://uc.org/asterisk * ------=_Part_2252_25254058.1115060923213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Would anybody be interested in a hands-on Asterisk workshop in K/W?
Simon would be interested in coming from Toronto to lead this.  I beli= eve
he will supply the necessary pci card, probably in the $20 range.
Email me off-list if you're interested, and if there are enough Yes's (10? = 15?), I'll
look into logistics.

-Daniel
--
http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Soluti= ons - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com
http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Pe= rl Mongers -         da@kw.pm.org
 
On 4/22/05, Simon P. Ditner <spdit= ner@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been thinking of running an introductory Asterisk workshop, where=
> you would come in with your old junker PC, and we'd take you through > the process of turning it into a pimped-out answering machine, with > multiple voice mail boxes, vmail->email, and remote retrieval.
>
> Would anyone be interested in that sort of thing? Or perhaps something=
> more advanced?

> * Simon P. Ditner / ON-Asterisk Mailing List / http://uc.org/asterisk *

------=_Part_2252_25254058.1115060923213-- From akohlsmith-kwlug@benshaw.com Mon May 2 15:31:53 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j42JWDH30320 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:31:53 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx52.postini.com [64.18.2.102]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id PAA26058 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:29:24 -0400 Received: from source ([38.116.194.38]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx52.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:29:23 PDT Received: (qmail 944 invoked by alias); 2 May 2005 19:32:22 -0000 Received: from benshaw-fw.scsinternet.com (HELO ?192.168.1.109?) (165.154.13.99) by 0 with SMTP; 2 May 2005 19:32:22 -0000 From: Andrew Kohlsmith Organization: Benshaw Canada To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Asterisk workshop interest? Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:23:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505021523.19647.akohlsmith-kwlug@benshaw.com> X-pstn-levels: (S:13.42282/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:32:02 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 On May 2, 2005 03:08 pm, Daniel Allen wrote: > Would anybody be interested in a hands-on Asterisk workshop in K/W? > Simon would be interested in coming from Toronto to lead this. I believe > he will supply the necessary pci card, probably in the $20 range. > Email me off-list if you're interested, and if there are enough Yes's (10? > 15?), I'll > look into logistics. I'm a vertiable asterisk expert; need any help? The cheapass clone x100Ps aren't worth the money, btw. If you get one that works, great, if not, you are about to spend the $100 you should have spent in time and frustration... -A. From gwalsh@axentra.net Thu May 5 18:37:57 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j45MbvH13822 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:37:57 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx3.postini.com [64.18.2.143]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id SAA30374 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:35:15 -0400 Received: from source ([216.138.223.229]) by exprod7mx3.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:35:15 PDT Received: from [192.168.1.101] (H102.C232.tor.velocet.net [216.138.232.102]) by hornet.wiznet.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAD031E77E for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427A9FA1.40109@axentra.net> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:35:13 -0400 From: Gary Walsh Organization: nothingnessofthewhat User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-3mdk (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KWLUG discussion list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S: 9.03391/99.85836 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] Open Source in Canadian Government X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 22:38:12 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 A posting on the TLUG mailing list mentioned this government website detailing the policy on "open source" software: http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/oss-ll_e.asp. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh@axentra.net http://axentra.net/www/gwalsh/ From bswitzer@gto.net Fri May 6 00:43:34 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j464hYH14829 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:43:34 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx59.postini.com [64.18.2.109]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id AAA32374 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:40:51 -0400 From: bswitzer@gto.net Received: from source ([199.166.210.31]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx59.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 05 May 2005 21:40:50 PDT Received: from swiz.1meg.golden.net ([209.183.141.104] helo=TESTGATE) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DTudt-000GxK-L8 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 00:40:49 -0400 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.11.5]); Fri, 06 May 2005 00:40:56 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] Open Source in Canadian Government Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:40:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c551f5$ca7e0120$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <427A9FA1.40109@axentra.net> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 04:43:37 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 Interesting link - thank you. Has anyone ploughed through the drivel to understand their take on it? I scanned through a number of pages trying to find the position they were taking without real success. Though, in the executive summary, there was a line like 'the federal government neither prevents nor encourages OSS adoption.' So their position is that they have no position? } -----Original Message----- } From: kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org } [mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org]On Behalf Of Gary Walsh } Sent: May 5, 2005 6:35 PM } To: KWLUG discussion list } Subject: [kwlug disc.] Open Source in Canadian Government } } } A posting on the TLUG mailing list mentioned this government website } detailing the policy on "open source" software: } http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/oss-ll_e.asp. } } -- } Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada } gwalsh@axentra.net http://axentra.net/www/gwalsh/ } } _______________________________________________ } KWLUG-Disc mailing list } KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org } http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc } From gwalsh@axentra.net Fri May 6 00:53:46 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j464rkH14867 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:53:46 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx11.postini.com [64.18.2.151]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id AAA00791 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:51:03 -0400 Received: from source ([216.138.223.232]) by exprod7mx11.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 05 May 2005 21:51:02 PDT Received: from [192.168.1.101] (H102.C232.tor.velocet.net [216.138.232.102]) by arrow.wiznet.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC8B5F77 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427AF7B6.1070603@axentra.net> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:51:02 -0400 From: Gary Walsh Organization: nothingnessofthewhat User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-3mdk (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Open Source in Canadian Government References: <000501c551f5$ca7e0120$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> In-Reply-To: <000501c551f5$ca7e0120$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 04:53:49 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 bswitzer@gto.net wrote: >Interesting link - thank you. > >Has anyone ploughed through the drivel to understand their take on it? I >scanned through a number of pages trying to find the position they were >taking without real success. > >Though, in the executive summary, there was a line like 'the federal >government neither prevents nor encourages OSS adoption.' So their position >is that they have no position? > > I read some of it. There seems to be a leaning to open standards. There is a page that lists a lot of the open source software used. Apparently there was a fellow from the government who spoke at the recent Linux World about open source in the government. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh@axentra.net http://axentra.net/www/gwalsh/ From dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org Fri May 6 02:39:07 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j466d6H15093 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 02:39:07 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx17.postini.com [64.18.2.157]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id CAA10510 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 02:36:02 -0400 Received: from source ([192.94.73.21]) by exprod7mx17.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 05 May 2005 23:36:01 PDT Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:dcarr@ns-a.freeshell.org [192.94.73.30]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j466Zeuc011936 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:35:40 GMT Received: (from dcarr@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j466Zejh024245; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:35:40 GMT Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:35:40 +0000 (UTC) From: lloyd carr To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] Open Source in Canadian Government In-Reply-To: <000501c551f5$ca7e0120$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> Message-ID: References: <000501c551f5$ca7e0120$fd4dfea9@swiz.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-pstn-levels: (S:32.69951/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 06:38:49 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 > Has anyone ploughed through the drivel to understand their take on it? I > scanned through a number of pages trying to find the position they were > taking without real success. Did you read any of the FOSS stuff at http://www.cio-dpi.gc.ca/fap-paf/oss-ll/foss-llo/foss-llo00_e.asp In it they admit that Canada is behind the curve on the adoption of FOSS compared to the rest of the world. I think they are hedging, they don't want to change, but on the other hand they don't want to completely miss the boat (just in case FOSS turns out to be the next big thing ;-) ). - Lloyd From ghowlett@connecttech.com Mon May 9 12:01:41 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j49G1fH01681 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:01:41 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx58.postini.com [64.18.2.108]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id LAA23344 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:58:40 -0400 Received: from source ([64.7.153.18]) by exprod7mx58.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:58:40 CDT Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.10]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49FwbhK014796 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from inetc.connecttech.com (inetc.connecttech.com [64.7.140.42]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49FwX0q037212 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from connecttech.com (cti2.connecttech.com [206.130.75.42]) by inetc.connecttech.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49GOmt5077633 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from HOWLETT (ghowlett.connecttech.com [206.130.75.118]) by connecttech.com (8.10.1/UW7.1.1-NSCd) with ESMTP id j49G7wA16388 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505091607.j49G7wA16388@connecttech.com> From: "Gareth Howlett" To: Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:58:37 -0400 Organization: Connect Tech Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5548E.6F0D29B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVUr/XZbH1tAw2RSjCO2JuSLwfODA== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on clamscanner4 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-pstn-levels: (S:87.93945/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:02:07 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5548E.6F0D29B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of embedded devices. My company produces a box similar to the I/O Anywhere presented at the last meeting. There are several big differences which I think most people might like to hear about and I'm willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, etc). I checked with Richard and it seems that the next 1/2 meeting slot is in July and the first full-meeting slot is in October. I'm sure I could ramble, answer questions and present the box for a full meeting but given the recent presentation, we can probably short-circuit most of this... I can do either. The real question is; when does the group want to cover another embedded device? Since they are similar but not exactly the same I'd say sooner rather then later but I'm just polling for opinions here... anyone? Regards, Gareth PS> sorry if this arrives twice. I sent this last week from the wrong e-mail so it's been waiting to be approved ever since. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5548E.6F0D29B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey,

 

I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of embedded devices.  My company produces a box = similar to the I/O Anywhere presented at the last meeting.  There are several = big differences which I think most people might like to hear about and I'm = willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, = etc).

 

I checked with Richard and it seems that the next 1/2 meeting slot is in July and the first full-meeting slot is in = October.  I'm sure I could ramble, answer questions and present the box for a full meeting but given the recent presentation, we can probably short-circuit = most of this...  I can do either.

 

The real question is; when does the group want to = cover another embedded device?  Since they are similar but not exactly = the same I'd say sooner rather then later but I'm just polling for opinions = here... anyone?

 

Regards,

    = Gareth

 

PS> sorry if this arrives twice… I sent this last week = from the wrong e-mail so it’s been waiting to be approved ever = since.

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5548E.6F0D29B0-- From opengeometry@yahoo.ca Mon May 9 12:49:12 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j49GnZH01935 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:49:12 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx49.postini.com [64.18.2.140]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id MAA29726 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:10 -0400 Received: from source ([216.254.157.245]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx49.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:46:07 PDT Received: from node1.opengeometry.net (IDENT:421@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j49Gk5Kn003315 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Received: (from parkw@localhost) by node1.opengeometry.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j49Gk5VG003314 for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 From: William Park To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) Message-ID: <20050509164605.GA3246@node1.opengeometry.net> Mail-Followup-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org References: <200505091607.j49G7wA16388@connecttech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505091607.j49G7wA16388@connecttech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-pstn-levels: (S:63.82669/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:49:14 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 11:58:37AM -0400, Gareth Howlett wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of > embedded devices. My company produces a box similar to the I/O > Anywhere presented at the last meeting. There are several big > differences which I think most people might like to hear about and I'm > willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, etc). If it runs Linux, I'm interested in hearing about it, especially if it can boot from USB port. By the way, your email has boundary="===============31061700676281045==" which is the same MIME boundary pattern used in many spams. What email reader did you use to compose and send? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because it works. From ghowlett@connecttech.com Mon May 9 13:28:40 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j49HSeH02108 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:28:40 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx54.postini.com [64.18.2.104]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id NAA01560 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:17 -0400 Received: from source ([205.211.164.50]) by exprod7mx54.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:25:13 PDT Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49HPCq1065222 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from inetc.connecttech.com (inetc.connecttech.com [64.7.140.42]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49HP9H4084096 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from connecttech.com (cti2.connecttech.com [206.130.75.42]) by inetc.connecttech.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49HpNB3078109 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:51:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from HOWLETT (ghowlett.connecttech.com [206.130.75.118]) by connecttech.com (8.10.1/UW7.1.1-NSCd) with ESMTP id j49HYYA17539 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505091734.j49HYYA17539@connecttech.com> From: "Gareth Howlett" To: Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:25:12 -0400 Organization: Connect Tech Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVUuCflPkjk5DDPQrOUDH7q30yLJwAAlklg In-Reply-To: <20050509164605.GA3246@node1.opengeometry.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on smarthost2.sentex.ca X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:28:42 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 Well, the box runs uClinux and boots on any Ethernet network although we do have a USB to serial adapter, it doesn't run uClinux. The boundary thing is weird but it could be because my e-mail is bounced through a local server before getting to the ISP. I used Outlook on XP (yuk, I know... not my choice). Regards, Gareth -----Original Message----- From: kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org [mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org] On Behalf Of William Park Sent: 09/05/2005 12:46 PM To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 11:58:37AM -0400, Gareth Howlett wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of > embedded devices. My company produces a box similar to the I/O > Anywhere presented at the last meeting. There are several big > differences which I think most people might like to hear about and I'm > willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, etc). If it runs Linux, I'm interested in hearing about it, especially if it can boot from USB port. By the way, your email has boundary="===============31061700676281045==" which is the same MIME boundary pattern used in many spams. What email reader did you use to compose and send? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because it works. _______________________________________________ KWLUG-Disc mailing list KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc From rpjday@mindspring.com Mon May 9 15:30:23 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j49JU6H02647 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:30:23 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx59.postini.com [64.18.2.109]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id PAA16531 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:27:05 -0400 Received: from source ([204.225.180.10]) by exprod7mx59.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:27:04 PDT Received: from [10.1.1.138] (10.1.2.1) by mailhost.rdmcorp.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for kwlug-disc@kwlug.org; 9 May 2005 15:27:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert P. J. Day" X-X-Sender: rpjday@localhost.localdomain To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) In-Reply-To: <200505091607.j49G7wA16388@connecttech.com> Message-ID: References: <200505091607.j49G7wA16388@connecttech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 19:30:11 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 On Mon, 9 May 2005, Gareth Howlett wrote: > Hey, > I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of > embedded devices. My company produces a box similar to the I/O > Anywhere presented at the last meeting. There are several big > differences which I think most people might like to hear about and > I'm willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, etc). at the risk of sounding a little skeptical, let me toss out my thoughts on presentations in general. regardless of the topic that's presented, i think the *most* important property of a KWLUG presentation is that, once it's over, the attendees have the right to think, "wow, that is *so* cool. i can't *wait* to get home and try that myself." in other words, the topic has to be *accessible* so that anyone who wants to take it further can do just that -- perhaps on their own system, perhaps by having to first buy something that's not hideously expensive. sure, theoretical knowledge is useful, but more than anything, i think presenters have to focus on making sure that interested listeners can *do* something with the content of the talk. having said all that, one can then ask a simple question -- if you give this talk, what would attendees be able to walk away with that they'd be able to actually use? i'm just thinking out loud. rday From 14523342@mail.whereareyounow.net Tue May 10 06:20:14 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j4AAKEH05278 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 06:20:14 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx57.postini.com [64.18.2.107]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id GAA16477 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 06:17:07 -0400 Received: from source ([217.148.33.7]) by exprod7mx57.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 10 May 2005 03:17:06 PDT Received: from mail1wayn ([10.10.10.20]) by web2.wayn.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 10 May 2005 11:17:03 +0100 thread-index: AcVVSROubbf6WlhVTHmUnBikO+efVQ== Thread-Topic: Adam wants to contact you From: "Adam Glauser" Sender: "Sender:" <14523342@mail.whereareyounow.net> To: "KWLUG Discussion" Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:17:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1a3f4401c55549$692d09a0$140a0a0a@mail1wayn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1A32D3_01C55551.75728AC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.181 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 10:17:03.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[69169B70:01C55549] X-pstn-levels: (S: 2.71253/99.67152 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 C:98.7678 ) Subject: [kwlug disc.] Adam wants to contact you X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1A32D3_01C55551.75728AC0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Glauser would like to invite you to join their network of contacts at http://www.wayn.com Visit http://www.wayn.com/wayn.html?wci=register&wce=refferal&m=409530&c=14523342 to start your own network today! 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=20 ------=_NextPart_000_1A32D3_01C55551.75728AC0-- From ghowlett@connecttech.com Tue May 10 17:14:22 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j4ALEMH07776 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:14:22 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx49.postini.com [64.18.2.140]) by cadence.thinkers.org (8.9.3/linuxconf) with SMTP id RAA29473 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:11:15 -0400 Received: from source ([64.7.153.18]) by exprod7mx49.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:11:14 PDT Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4ALBEEk020705 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from inetc.connecttech.com (inetc.connecttech.com [64.7.140.42]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4ALB1Uo019884 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:11:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from connecttech.com (cti2.connecttech.com [206.130.75.42]) by inetc.connecttech.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4ALbLlm085791 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:37:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ghowlett@connecttech.com) Received: from HOWLETT (ghowlett.connecttech.com [206.130.75.118]) by connecttech.com (8.10.1/UW7.1.1-NSCd) with ESMTP id j4ALKTA06406 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505102120.j4ALKTA06406@connecttech.com> From: "Gareth Howlett" To: Subject: RE: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:11:03 -0400 Organization: Connect Tech Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVUzw4DaJQP0JXYTMi91E4rygfB/wA1PcdQ In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0232 C:98.7678 ) X-BeenThere: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:14:25 -0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 Not skeptical at all... On the contrary, I had quite a few of these thought myself before posting the message and asking Richard... The thing about 232/422/485 is that the protocol itself is quite unimpressive... the cool stuff is the gizmos, gadgets and stories of implementation. I've got tons of the latter but very few of the former. All the same, I think I've got enough to make a presentation. Since a few people have told me they'd like to see the presentation, I think I'll go ahead with it... the only question is when. I say a partial meeting in July might be the best... unless someone wants it earlier or later. Regards, Gareth -----Original Message----- From: kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org [mailto:kwlug-disc-bounces@kwlug.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day Sent: 09/05/2005 3:26 PM To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: Re: [kwlug disc.] Another embedded device... (uClinux) On Mon, 9 May 2005, Gareth Howlett wrote: > Hey, > I just wanted to gauge everyone's opinion on another presentation of > embedded devices. My company produces a box similar to the I/O > Anywhere presented at the last meeting. There are several big > differences which I think most people might like to hear about and > I'm willing to do a presentation on it (uClinux, VSPs, etc). at the risk of sounding a little skeptical, let me toss out my thoughts on presentations in general. regardless of the topic that's presented, i think the *most* important property of a KWLUG presentation is that, once it's over, the attendees have the right to think, "wow, that is *so* cool. i can't *wait* to get home and try that myself." in other words, the topic has to be *accessible* so that anyone who wants to take it further can do just that -- perhaps on their own system, perhaps by having to first buy something that's not hideously expensive. sure, theoretical knowledge is useful, but more than anything, i think presenters have to focus on making sure that interested listeners can *do* something with the content of the talk. having said all that, one can then ask a simple question -- if you give this talk, what would attendees be able to walk away with that they'd be able to actually use? i'm just thinking out loud. rday _______________________________________________ KWLUG-Disc mailing list KWLUG-Disc@kwlug.org http://listserv.kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc From adamglauser@gmx.net Tue May 10 18:13:27 2005 X-Mailman-Handler: $Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $ Received: from cadence.thinkers.org (cadence.thinkers.org [64.235.106.6]) by peltier.cp.thinkers.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j4AMDRH07963 for