[kwlug disc.] All of you Ubuntu people

[Peter McAlpine]

Hello to all, I'm new to the list but this interesting topic prompted  
me to come out of my lurking.

Ubuntu offered everyone what they thought they wanted: happy people  
with the newer versions of packages. Everything was great and  
wonderful... Except the Ubuntu developers went on the assumption that  
they could continue to use the infrastructure that Debian had worked  
so hard to build. Ubuntu was shipping packages that had Debian  
developers listed as the maintainers so users started contacting  
those Debian developers for help with their problems. Some of the  
emails on the debian-devel mailing list got pretty nasty WRT this  
subject.

Then there's the BTS, the relationships with upstream developers, the  
mechanisms in place to deal with problems and get software supported,  
fixed, rebuilt/packaged and so on... Ubuntu's implementation of this  
important infrastructure is simply not as sophisticated as Debian's,  
and the more they diverge from Debian, the more they're going to feel  
it.

You asked which distro to use, and if you're willing to push through  
the installer and getting things working the way you want then go  
with Debian and you'll end up smarter and with a more powerful and  
flexible system. If you need to get up and running and want things to  
work quickly then Ubuntu.

I've tried Ubuntu, it was easy to install and was "prettier" than  
Debian. In the end I went back to Debian because Debian just plain  
gets it done right, even if they're grumpy and late.

-Peter =)

On 8-Feb-07, at 10:36 PM, Rick wrote:

> kevin <norwood.kevin at gmail.com> writes:
>> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7103672739.html This is very  
>> exciting
>> to me and I believe it will be for you all as well.
>
> I'm Debian myself; so this posting's repeated talk of
> "supporting proprietary software and drivers" feels a bit odd.
>
> I don't buy commercial software for Linux although I might buy games
> someday when I get around to buying a graphics card.
> (Right now, I'm into "glob2" and "ksudoku").
>
> As for proprietary drivers, having them is better than having
> no driver at all. I'd just prefer FLOSS drivers because FLOSS
> seems better for long-term support and expansion.
>
> My Debian install is actually a version of Knoppix
> and I have done a couple of "apt-get upgrade" operations.
> At some point, when I stop being lazy in the short run,
> I was thinking of doing a pure install of Debian.
>
> What's the opinion in this group over Ubuntu's evolution?
> Is Ubuntu going in a good direction by pulling in more
> proprietary potential whereas Debian is being too strict?
> How many of you prefer the purely FLOSS approach of Debian?
> Any opinions over whether Ubuntu has more momentum than Debian?
> And, specifically, why should my next install be Debian
> or be Ubuntu?
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