[kwlug disc.] All of you Ubuntu people

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Rick wrote, On 2/08/2007 10:36 PM:
 > kevin <norwood.kevin at gmail.com> writes:
 >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7103672739.html This is very 
exciting
 >> to me and I believe it will be for you all as well.
 >
 > I'm Debian myself; so this posting's repeated talk of
 > "supporting proprietary software and drivers" feels a bit odd.

But ... but ... but ... isn't Ubuntu Debian based?

 >
 > I don't buy commercial software for Linux although I might buy games
 > someday when I get around to buying a graphics card.
 > (Right now, I'm into "glob2" and "ksudoku").

Right, but lets remember who Ubuntu is aimed for - the new user, and 
the superficial user who might use it when shown how it's just as easy 
and user friendly as Windows.

Which is why the Linspire connection strikes me as a good thing. To 
this target, is added the same (but non-free) target Linspire is after.

So, another route of migration from Windows to Linux has been added. 
It can't but be a good thing.

Unless I'm completely missing something here.


Those who criticise Ubuntu in this thread, and I mean that in no bad 
way, the criticism's are justified, are to my mind beyond Ubuntu. I 
perceive Ubuntu as a starting point. I don't expect anyone really into 
computers to stay with Ubuntu forever. It's a leaping point.

Ubuntu is trying. I have nothing but kudos for them. But that doesn't 
mean I want to use it. [But I do. If only sitting in the corner and 
turned off for long periods of time. For the times when 
(*&^*&%^*&^%(*&)(*&(&^%*&%)(*&)(*& computer!]

I guess I look at it this way:
- I probably want CentOS on my server.
- I probably want Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my test workstation to see what a 
typical user is going to run in to.
- I probably want Kubuntu on my 'daily' machine, e-mail, internet, 
music, etc., if I had enough hardware. [Read: wife's machine.] Think 
of it the same way you think about the telephone, radio, stereo, whatever.
- I probably want something else on my work / development machine.

- I'm beginning to think keeping the last two roles separate, or 
perhaps having two, a work/professional black box, and a personal 
shoot them critters black box, may be part of the solution to 
restoring my sanity. If that's possible (any longer)!

- One look at Ward makes me kind of doubt it.


Peter McAlpine wrote, On 2/08/2007 11:51 PM:
> Hello to all, I'm new to the list but this interesting topic prompted me 
> to come out of my lurking.
> 
> Ubuntu offered everyone what they thought they wanted: happy people with 
> the newer versions of packages. Everything was great and wonderful... 
> Except the Ubuntu developers went on the assumption that they could 
> continue to use the infrastructure that Debian had worked so hard to 
> build. Ubuntu was shipping packages that had Debian developers listed as 
> the maintainers so users started contacting those Debian developers for 
> help with their problems. Some of the emails on the debian-devel mailing 
> list got pretty nasty WRT this subject.
> 
> Then there's the BTS, the relationships with upstream developers, the 
> mechanisms in place to deal with problems and get software supported, 
> fixed, rebuilt/packaged and so on... Ubuntu's implementation of this 
> important infrastructure is simply not as sophisticated as Debian's, and 
> the more they diverge from Debian, the more they're going to feel it.
> 
> You asked which distro to use, and if you're willing to push through the 
> installer and getting things working the way you want then go with 
> Debian and you'll end up smarter and with a more powerful and flexible 
> system. If you need to get up and running and want things to work 
> quickly then Ubuntu.
> 
> I've tried Ubuntu, it was easy to install and was "prettier" than 
> Debian. In the end I went back to Debian because Debian just plain gets 
> it done right, even if they're grumpy and late.
> 
> -Peter =)
> 
> On 8-Feb-07, at 10:36 PM, Rick wrote:
> 
>> kevin <norwood.kevin at gmail.com> writes:
>>> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7103672739.html This is very exciting
>>> to me and I believe it will be for you all as well.
>>
>> I'm Debian myself; so this posting's repeated talk of
>> "supporting proprietary software and drivers" feels a bit odd.
>>
>> I don't buy commercial software for Linux although I might buy games
>> someday when I get around to buying a graphics card.
>> (Right now, I'm into "glob2" and "ksudoku").
>>
>> As for proprietary drivers, having them is better than having
>> no driver at all. I'd just prefer FLOSS drivers because FLOSS
>> seems better for long-term support and expansion.
>>
>> My Debian install is actually a version of Knoppix
>> and I have done a couple of "apt-get upgrade" operations.
>> At some point, when I stop being lazy in the short run,
>> I was thinking of doing a pure install of Debian.
>>
>> What's the opinion in this group over Ubuntu's evolution?
>> Is Ubuntu going in a good direction by pulling in more
>> proprietary potential whereas Debian is being too strict?
>> How many of you prefer the purely FLOSS approach of Debian?
>> Any opinions over whether Ubuntu has more momentum than Debian?
>> And, specifically, why should my next install be Debian
>> or be Ubuntu?
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